Jesse Marsch

[SG90]

I respectfully disagree; go back and read the multitude of comments decrying the American takeover of the club.

Drivel, indeed.

Marsch is not a self-promoter. Or did you not read the comment where he said he doesn't care if the fans boo him or sing his name; it's all about the team? When does he ever give himself credit for what the players have done?

There was definitely a lot of anti-American xenophobia directed at him, especially from the media. Look at how he was immediately compared to Bob Bradley, simply from being born in the same country.

Some just can't accept USA aren't as terrible at football as they think. I suppose the World Cup will be a bit of a wake up.

[Cjay]

I am as nervous about Marsch next season as anyone.

Don't like narrow styles in attack.

But it should be mentioned that if Raphinha isn't playing narrow vs Brentford then we don't get that penalty.

That may be the first time we have seen the benefits of the narrow style?

[1964white]

During the month of February we played five games and conceded 20 goals, taking only one point from fifteen while being shut out three times. We weren't just losing, we were getting destroyed. For crying out loud, we even managed to make Everton look like Bayern. Something had to change. The team were utterly demoralized.

Jesse came in and righted the ship.

Funny how so many who say Bielsa was a genius for getting so much out of what is largely a Championship side (and I count myself as one of those) are so quick to condemn Marsch because he didn't have us immediately playing like Liverpool or City.

Jesse's done a fine job. He's kept us up. He has the players believing in themselves again. He's brought along a number of young players under the most difficult of circumstances.

He's also the manager of our beloved Leeds United. Can we give him our support?

Top post John

I'm struggling to understand why Jesse is receiving so much criticism it's as if a section of our fanbase were wishing him to fail, probably still think he was a failure as it went down to the wire, the reason it did was because Everton & Burnley picked up some freak results when previously they were dropping like a stone prior to Marsch's arrival.

'All Leeds Are We' arent we?

[SG90]

Marsch has already said he hasn't had a chance to implement his system.

[CHAPELALLMAN]

I respectfully disagree; go back and read the multitude of comments decrying the American takeover of the club.

Drivel, indeed.

Marsch is not a self-promoter. Or did you not read the comment where he said he doesn't care if the fans boo him or sing his name; it's all about the team? When does he ever give himself credit for what the players have done?

[CHAPELALLMAN]

I am as nervous about Marsch next season as anyone.

Don't like narrow styles in attack.

But it should be mentioned that if Raphinha isn't playing narrow vs Brentford then we don't get that penalty.

That may be the first time we have seen the benefits of the narrow style?

Though I remember there being lots of criticism under Bielsa that all the build up was down the flanks and nothing down the middle. Plus we were left wide open down the middle very often.

One major issue we have is the lack of a no 10 who can make defence splittng passes. Rodrigo just doesn't have the eye to do this kind of thing.

[weasel]

Our players love Jesse, which is the most important aspect of his management, even though a section of our fans are not keen on him.

I'm struggling to understand why he is so disliked, maybe I'm reading the signs wrongly.

I love his passion & the way he celebrates like us football fans do at games.

It isn't a case of him being disliked it is a case of whether he is up to the job and that is what we will find out. There are some things I like about him, some things not so much but the only thing that ultimately matters is what happens on the pitch. Under Bielsa we played in a way that got more out of the team than the sum of its parts which gave me hope that we could punch above our weight considering we can't match the resources of a lot of clubs. That we could by playing as a team and playing with our way be better than a team simply making up numbers. This season has been poor but the reasons were clearly more than just the manager - given less injuries we comfortably survive and learn lessons.

So back to Marsch and does he have the ability to make us be able to bridge the gap? Or will we just become a team who's ultimate aim every season is just to stay up? That's the question for me and it doesn't come down to him being American or any of the other nonsense - it is can he take us to another level? Bielsa I always felt could - again this season was a nightmare - but there were important lessons to be learnt accross the club and certainly areas to strengthen but then we would go again.

It is very much an unknown with JM at this point. Similar in a way to MU taking a gamble of Ten Haag who is only proven at 1 club who is usually a contender for the title in their own country. JM has a managerial record that is hard to really judge, decent in Austria where it was the equivalent of being the manager of Celtic when Rangers weren't in the same division, or PSG in France etc. His time managing in the USA is very hard to judge. His time in Germany a major concern. Has he learnt from what went wrong? Did his team in Austria do better with him than previously? Did he have better or worse players than under previous management etc etc.

He has my full support but it isn't blind faith. He has kept us up, we'll never know what would have happened if Bielsa had stayed, but he has 100% acheived his first target. Next season though will tell us more and whether we as a club are simply the new Burnley or do we have a manager that can make a team better because he is the manager. Does Pep make City better than they are, yes, likewise Klopp, likewise Conte.

[weasel]

I think there is a political undercurrent at work here too. Bielsa was regarded by some as more than just a football manager - he was a ' man of the people ' living above a sweet shop, walking to the training ground and shopping at Morrisons. The fact that he was earning a very un-proletariat like several millions a year from the club and was one of the best paid managers in the PL is neither here nor there. He was a man of the people, like you and me.

Some people loved the John Lennon song Imagine about having no possessions and basically everyone being equal - I saw him sat at a piano that likely cost more than most people earn in a year in his huge manasion. Yeah no possessions John.

[BGwhite]

No, not at all really, we've stayed up so job done for now.

I have absolutely no doubt Bert would've kept us up and he was not panicking at all about it if he got his main players back.

Who would i still prefer to be in charge ? Bert 100%.

If we'd gone down i'd be fcking fuming, but we've managed to stay up (there were 3 worse than us)

Do you honestly feel confident in the new man BG ? I don't, but it's been too hard to really judge him because of the situation, we've won games we should win unconvincingly, we didn't show up at all against the 'good' sides and we've drawn against shyte whilst playing shyte ourselves, we've scraped home by the skin of our teeth at the death, the one good thing i've seen is although the boyz are playing shyte their heads didn't drop so he gets credit for that.

As for the football side of things i've seen jack and i'm worried for next year, he's now got a full start and a clean slate and the relegation scrap is behind us, so ?.......What could go wrong huh ?

No I'm not 100% confident in JM but who would be at this stage? You've answered for me with your last paragraph. A full pre-season, players shipped out, new players in, no injuries and you never know.

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[weasel]

Jesse comes across as a good motivator to me, the players love him too. Marsch is passionate & at least he puts his arms around his players whether we win, draw or lose. He has got all the attributes of how a good manger should be in any walk of life. My staff were never miserable because I looked after & treated them with respect like human beings.

A tricky one as motivation can only get you so far. It isn't like other workplaces, you need tactics too. Keep saying the same things and quite quickly they lose impetus, especially if players begin to doubt the tactics. Motivation might have been what we needed, a bit of a pick me up at the time but can it improve the players long term?

All players are different. You could see how much it meant to players when they saw how emotional Bielsa got when celebrating promotion. You could see how much it meant to the players to have Bielsa believe in them. A lot of facets into management, Fergie didn't just win because of the hairdryer treatment, he won because he could spot a good player, he played a system that got the best out of players etc etc.

Next season we get to see JM with players to fit how he wants to play and the team playing how he wants them to play. Hopefully it all comes together beautifully.

The american stuff is just nonsense stirred up by the media. I'm sure there were more people anti-Bielsa due to him being Argentinian (Falklands, Hand of God etc) than there are people anti-USA.

[BGwhite]

During the month of February we played five games and conceded 20 goals, taking only one point from fifteen while being shut out three times. We weren't just losing, we were getting destroyed. For crying out loud, we even managed to make Everton look like Bayern. Something had to change. The team were utterly demoralized.

Jesse came in and righted the ship.

Funny how so many who say Bielsa was a genius for getting so much out of what is largely a Championship side (and I count myself as one of those) are so quick to condemn Marsch because he didn't have us immediately playing like Liverpool or City.

Jesse's done a fine job. He's kept us up. He has the players believing in themselves again. He's brought along a number of young players under the most difficult of circumstances.

He's also the manager of our beloved Leeds United. Can we give him our support?

Well said Jil, the guy won't be able to do right for wrong unless he wins the league. I'll be happy to survive another season without relegation if that's what it takes to become an established PL club. We forget that we are minnows in this big pond and a helluva long way from playing in Europe...but Radz will have it all mapped out .

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[Cjay]

Though I remember there being lots of criticism under Bielsa that all the build up was down the flanks and nothing down the middle. Plus we were left wide open down the middle very often.

One major issue we have is the lack of a no 10 who can make defence splittng passes. Rodrigo just doesn't have the eye to do this kind of thing.

For me attack needs width and defence needs to be narrow and compact.

I don't like narrow attacks.

But you are correct, Bielsa was probably a little to neglectful of the middle

Marsch for me has been neglecting the flanks.

Hope we find a happy medium.

[BGwhite]

I am as nervous about Marsch next season as anyone.

Don't like narrow styles in attack.

But it should be mentioned that if Raphinha isn't playing narrow vs Brentford then we don't get that penalty.

That may be the first time we have seen the benefits of the narrow style?

It could turn out to be a stumbling block re whether Rapha stays or not. I'd imagine he prefers to play wide but if JM says he's playing narrow next season Rapha may just decide to leave. ..that's if he hasn't decided already.

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[Chilli D]

One major issue we have is the lack of a no 10 who can make defence splittng passes. Rodrigo just doesn't have the eye to do this kind of thing.

For a Spanish International his first touch is appalling

[RobbieLeeds]

Marsch kept us up, we looked doomed under Bielsa. Granted, there was 101 injuries and what not, however we also looked fairly doomed under Marsch at points too.

We’ve got a whole summer ahead of us to get some good signings and let JM fully implement his style, if we get to next season and we look the same or worse, then you can say Marsch isn’t the one to take Leeds forward, difficult to say when he inherited a broken side made up of either championship players or players that were just underperforming (or both!)

[Kennyb41]

Absolute fcking bullshit about him being American as long as he's good.
I couldn't give a flying fck if we had 6 American players and a Mongolian manager if we played great.

The thing i detest is the boardroom side, coz they're not coming here coz they love the game, they love the money full stop.

I'm 100% behind Jesse now coz i have to be, but will take to the grave what i KNOW Bert would and could've done with us.
We were 5th bottom when Jesse came, we finished 4th bottom by the skin of our teeth, there has been absolutely nothing to write home about re the football, yes he has all the excuses in the world for that, but now the real stuff begins.

[Kennyb41]

I just cannot see these players playing this 4-2-2-2 whatever the fck it is, i'd never even heard of it before this Man U man came and it seems disastrous to say the least, if it's fantastic i think we'd see the likes of Bayern, Barcelona, Lpool etc playing it or at least give it a crack, the way to go seems to be 4-3-3 but you need money and a load of coherent players playing it.

Dare i say it but that's where Bert was trying to take us eventually and on a budget too, in my eyes he would've got there given time but he's gone now.

Do i think Jesse can do it off what i've seen ? Honestly ? Up to now ?

Not.A.fcking.Chance.

And i'm sorry if he's a Yank, but he'd get the same comment if from Timbuktoo.

[Kennyb41]

And another thing JIL, if this goes how i think it will, we're gonna need shut of him asap coz it will either work or be a complete shambles and we should be able to tell right from the off. I will say it as i see it, if it looks good i'll say so, and there's a lot of teams that we SHOULD be better than, and if we start badly and are doing nothing or doesn't look at all right, we'll need to get someone in to get this shyte shipshape asap or we'll be rock bottom in the blink of an eye, in our last games we've highlighted how shyte we are when rudderless.

[1964white]

I am as nervous about Marsch next season as anyone.

Don't like narrow styles in attack.

But it should be mentioned that if Raphinha isn't playing narrow vs Brentford then we don't get that penalty.

That may be the first time we have seen the benefits of the narrow style?

New systems/methods take time to implement, Cjay

[lufc1304]

He's earned the right to implement his own style by doing the job he was brought in to do and retaining our Premier League status. Just! The football was ugly, and maybe his style is ugly, or maybe it was a case of needs must, by any means possible etc. This summer will give us some idea of what we're going to look like next season. I hope it's compact at the back, creative in midfield and clinical up top. I don't think that's too much to ask, is it???