Cjay, I like the plan and I like the players. Tyler Adams is in a bit of rough patch at the moment. His form for USA has not been great. Which can probably be attributed to a lack of regular playing time at Leipzig this past season. I've not seen enough of Camara to know if they would be a good pair. But from what I have seen he is quality.
I'm a bit torn about KP. He is a Leeds boy which is important to supporters. He didn't have a good season even before the injury. And after coming back he was just off the pace. And seemed to have trouble adjusting to the changes in tactics. On the other hand JM seems to rate him. And he does have some known qualities. So it would be interesting to see how JM will use him.
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Thing is, we'll end up with those four still on our books OR take a massive loss on them.White Riot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 9:29 am Eg Rodrigo £27 mil, James 25, Firpo 13, and JKA 18 = £83 million.
No wonder we're having to sell KP and Raphinha
Gelhardt has been our bargain signing, we'd make money on Meslier, too.
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I declare my love for Saint Daniel and I can shoehorn him in to any conversation.
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Reports now coming out that Manchester City have put in there first official bid for Kalvin.
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He has been injured abit but he played alot of football under Bielsa and then the Euro's, Pep will manage his game time to perfection. If true will be interesting to see how much they have pitched in at.
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https://theathletic.com/3362329/2022/06 ... =twitteruk
They are wasting no time at Manchester City or Leeds United, two clubs who have chosen to front-load their summer 2022 transfer windows. The expenditure is higher on one front, naturally, but neither of them are dithering over the planning for next season.
Indeed, City’s were so organised that Julian Alvarez’s arrival from River Plate in Argentina was prearranged at the beginning of the year, and on Monday white smoke billowed out of the Etihad as Leeds-born Erling Haaland finally completed the formalities of his move back to England.
Over in Leeds, meanwhile, they have already set aside £35 million to sign Red Bull Salzburg duo Brenden Aaronson and Rasmus Kristensen, and Bayern Munich’s Marc Roca is waiting only on the club to wrap up the fine details of his proposed £10 million switch: he’s ready to come to the Premier League from a side who are willing to sell him. That deal should be sealed before the end of this week, with Roca aiming to fly in on Thursday night to undergo a medical the following morning.
Roca is seen as a solution to Leeds’ perennial shortage of central midfielders but the word coming out of Elland Road is that the Spaniard has not been identified as a replacement for Kalvin Phillips.
Phillips is a separate entity altogether, a player who would spark a fresh recruitment drive at his position if he was to depart in this window. All the signs are that City are about to force Leeds along that road by doubling down — or tripling down — on the £65 million they have spent on Haaland and Alvarez with a substantial bid for Phillips too.
Sources on both sides of the Pennines believe an offer for Phillips from City is coming, with the 26-year-old’s close-season international commitments with England complete after Tuesday’s dismal 4-0 defeat against Hungary and his mooted switch of agents in the process of taking place. City visualise a closing agreement of between £45 million and £50 million and there is confidence in Manchester that Phillips would push to take up the opportunity to join them if it’s presented.
Fernandinho is leaving the Etihad at age 37 after nine trophy-laden years’ service and Phillips, one of England’s foremost defensive central midfielders, has been tracked by City for several months. Discussions about recruiting him became more intense after Fernandinho revealed in April that he would move on when his contract expired this summer.
City manager Pep Guardiola wants competition for Rodri — ensuring the depth of squad that allows the club to continue competing on four fronts each season — and Leeds were increasingly aware of mounting interest from the Etihad in the final weeks of last season.
The landscape has changed in the time since, as a result of Leeds surviving the Premier League’s relegation battle — an outcome that was far from certain with a fortnight of the campaign to go.
Phillips fell into the same boat as team-mate Raphinha, as a player Leeds could not hope to sell for his maximum value if they dropped back into the Championship and one City would be able to acquire for less than his true market price. Sources have told The Athletic that Phillips’ contract, like Raphinha’s, contains a relegation-related release clause.
As it is, Leeds are now in a position to hold out for a higher fee, but City have the funds to acquire Phillips regardless — despite their outlay on Haaland and Alvarez.
City are yet to table a formal offer for Phillips and there is understood to have been little contact between them and Leeds in the three weeks since the club season finished.
Leeds did not come into this window expecting to lose the local-lad and academy product, or at least, not in the way that they did Brazilian star Raphinha, but while some close to Phillips say he would never have countenanced an approach from Manchester United, his hometown club’s bitterest rivals, City would be a different proposition; the Premier League champions, one of Europe’s wealthiest clubs, a side managed by Guardiola and a transfer free of the politics and poison that would surround a Leeds player leaving for Old Trafford.
City would tick the right boxes. It’s a move Phillips would be open to, and a move Leeds would struggle to resist.
Phillips has been with England for the past three weeks and, in the meantime, City have held off on playing their cards.
Leeds believed it was possible that Phillips, a midfielder transformed during the Marcelo Bielsa era, might agree a new contract and give them one more year, but timing is crucial.
He turns 27 in December and has a fairly short window in which to secure a big move. Unless Leeds tie him down to new terms beyond his current end date of summer 2024, he will never be worth more money than he is now. Though his salary is among the highest at Elland Road, it would take a substantial increase for Leeds to reflect his status as a full England international — yet no effort at all on City’s part to enhance his present wages significantly.
City have Romeo Lavia, a talented 18-year-old Belgian, coming through the ranks, but the feeling at the Etihad is that he is not quite ready to step up and compete with Rodri for first-team minutes. With the departure of Fernandinho, Rodri is the only player in the squad without an alternative behind him and Phillips’ role under Bielsa — a deep-lying holding midfielder — means he is well-suited to provide competition.
There would also be the opportunity to play Rodri and Phillips alongside each other, with the latter charged with getting forward, as he has in an England shirt beside Declan Rice.
Guardiola maintains strict standards on weight and intensity, two things his managerial idol Bielsa pushed to extremes during his three-and-a-half year reign in Yorkshire. The regime at the Etihad is one that Phillips would be able to slip into comfortably: a possession-based model of play.
Leeds’ precarious league position and Phillips’ impending agency switch left his situation on hold as the season drew to a close.
He has been represented by Palm Sports Management (PSM), a West Yorkshire-based agency, throughout his professional career but, as The Athletic reported in April, he has been looking at alternatives with his contract with PSM due to run out this month. Stellar, who handled Jack Grealish’s transfer to City from Aston Villa last summer, are frontrunners in the race to secure his business, with a decision expected to be made this week.
Though City have held off on bidding until after Phillips changes stables, an offer should not be long in coming once he does.
Phillips’ intention was never to push for a move for the sake of it. When Villa and West Ham made enquiries about him in January, Leeds rejected both approaches, and were put under no pressure by the player to pursue them. There was no assumption either that Phillips would go when last season finished, unless Leeds were relegated, but the club know that if City come calling and meet their valuation, all bets are off.
They have left no doubt that in targeting Roca, they were looking for an extra midfield body on top of Phillips.
Losing Phillips would mean that at least one more addition in that area is essential, helped by the receipt of a large fee in return for parting with him.
The importance of getting that replacement right would be critical. While Leeds’ tactics are changing following Bielsa’s sacking and the appointment of Jesse Marsch, over the past four years the difference in results with Phillips in the line-up and without him has been incredibly stark.
This, in reality, was how it was always likely to go for Leeds; the balance of power in the Premier League meaning that clubs in their position have to think seriously about what is best for them. A handful of teams recruit in the most elite bracket, but beneath them there is a long-established model of income earned by selling valuable assets offering a chance to reinvest and, ideally, enhance the squad those assets leave behind.
Leeds are moving in different circles to City, as Guardiola’s focus on Phillips and the weeks ahead are set to demonstrate.
They are waiting now for City to show their hand.
They are wasting no time at Manchester City or Leeds United, two clubs who have chosen to front-load their summer 2022 transfer windows. The expenditure is higher on one front, naturally, but neither of them are dithering over the planning for next season.
Indeed, City’s were so organised that Julian Alvarez’s arrival from River Plate in Argentina was prearranged at the beginning of the year, and on Monday white smoke billowed out of the Etihad as Leeds-born Erling Haaland finally completed the formalities of his move back to England.
Over in Leeds, meanwhile, they have already set aside £35 million to sign Red Bull Salzburg duo Brenden Aaronson and Rasmus Kristensen, and Bayern Munich’s Marc Roca is waiting only on the club to wrap up the fine details of his proposed £10 million switch: he’s ready to come to the Premier League from a side who are willing to sell him. That deal should be sealed before the end of this week, with Roca aiming to fly in on Thursday night to undergo a medical the following morning.
Roca is seen as a solution to Leeds’ perennial shortage of central midfielders but the word coming out of Elland Road is that the Spaniard has not been identified as a replacement for Kalvin Phillips.
Phillips is a separate entity altogether, a player who would spark a fresh recruitment drive at his position if he was to depart in this window. All the signs are that City are about to force Leeds along that road by doubling down — or tripling down — on the £65 million they have spent on Haaland and Alvarez with a substantial bid for Phillips too.
Sources on both sides of the Pennines believe an offer for Phillips from City is coming, with the 26-year-old’s close-season international commitments with England complete after Tuesday’s dismal 4-0 defeat against Hungary and his mooted switch of agents in the process of taking place. City visualise a closing agreement of between £45 million and £50 million and there is confidence in Manchester that Phillips would push to take up the opportunity to join them if it’s presented.
Fernandinho is leaving the Etihad at age 37 after nine trophy-laden years’ service and Phillips, one of England’s foremost defensive central midfielders, has been tracked by City for several months. Discussions about recruiting him became more intense after Fernandinho revealed in April that he would move on when his contract expired this summer.
City manager Pep Guardiola wants competition for Rodri — ensuring the depth of squad that allows the club to continue competing on four fronts each season — and Leeds were increasingly aware of mounting interest from the Etihad in the final weeks of last season.
The landscape has changed in the time since, as a result of Leeds surviving the Premier League’s relegation battle — an outcome that was far from certain with a fortnight of the campaign to go.
Phillips fell into the same boat as team-mate Raphinha, as a player Leeds could not hope to sell for his maximum value if they dropped back into the Championship and one City would be able to acquire for less than his true market price. Sources have told The Athletic that Phillips’ contract, like Raphinha’s, contains a relegation-related release clause.
As it is, Leeds are now in a position to hold out for a higher fee, but City have the funds to acquire Phillips regardless — despite their outlay on Haaland and Alvarez.
City are yet to table a formal offer for Phillips and there is understood to have been little contact between them and Leeds in the three weeks since the club season finished.
Leeds did not come into this window expecting to lose the local-lad and academy product, or at least, not in the way that they did Brazilian star Raphinha, but while some close to Phillips say he would never have countenanced an approach from Manchester United, his hometown club’s bitterest rivals, City would be a different proposition; the Premier League champions, one of Europe’s wealthiest clubs, a side managed by Guardiola and a transfer free of the politics and poison that would surround a Leeds player leaving for Old Trafford.
City would tick the right boxes. It’s a move Phillips would be open to, and a move Leeds would struggle to resist.
Phillips has been with England for the past three weeks and, in the meantime, City have held off on playing their cards.
Leeds believed it was possible that Phillips, a midfielder transformed during the Marcelo Bielsa era, might agree a new contract and give them one more year, but timing is crucial.
He turns 27 in December and has a fairly short window in which to secure a big move. Unless Leeds tie him down to new terms beyond his current end date of summer 2024, he will never be worth more money than he is now. Though his salary is among the highest at Elland Road, it would take a substantial increase for Leeds to reflect his status as a full England international — yet no effort at all on City’s part to enhance his present wages significantly.
City have Romeo Lavia, a talented 18-year-old Belgian, coming through the ranks, but the feeling at the Etihad is that he is not quite ready to step up and compete with Rodri for first-team minutes. With the departure of Fernandinho, Rodri is the only player in the squad without an alternative behind him and Phillips’ role under Bielsa — a deep-lying holding midfielder — means he is well-suited to provide competition.
There would also be the opportunity to play Rodri and Phillips alongside each other, with the latter charged with getting forward, as he has in an England shirt beside Declan Rice.
Guardiola maintains strict standards on weight and intensity, two things his managerial idol Bielsa pushed to extremes during his three-and-a-half year reign in Yorkshire. The regime at the Etihad is one that Phillips would be able to slip into comfortably: a possession-based model of play.
Leeds’ precarious league position and Phillips’ impending agency switch left his situation on hold as the season drew to a close.
He has been represented by Palm Sports Management (PSM), a West Yorkshire-based agency, throughout his professional career but, as The Athletic reported in April, he has been looking at alternatives with his contract with PSM due to run out this month. Stellar, who handled Jack Grealish’s transfer to City from Aston Villa last summer, are frontrunners in the race to secure his business, with a decision expected to be made this week.
Though City have held off on bidding until after Phillips changes stables, an offer should not be long in coming once he does.
Phillips’ intention was never to push for a move for the sake of it. When Villa and West Ham made enquiries about him in January, Leeds rejected both approaches, and were put under no pressure by the player to pursue them. There was no assumption either that Phillips would go when last season finished, unless Leeds were relegated, but the club know that if City come calling and meet their valuation, all bets are off.
They have left no doubt that in targeting Roca, they were looking for an extra midfield body on top of Phillips.
Losing Phillips would mean that at least one more addition in that area is essential, helped by the receipt of a large fee in return for parting with him.
The importance of getting that replacement right would be critical. While Leeds’ tactics are changing following Bielsa’s sacking and the appointment of Jesse Marsch, over the past four years the difference in results with Phillips in the line-up and without him has been incredibly stark.
This, in reality, was how it was always likely to go for Leeds; the balance of power in the Premier League meaning that clubs in their position have to think seriously about what is best for them. A handful of teams recruit in the most elite bracket, but beneath them there is a long-established model of income earned by selling valuable assets offering a chance to reinvest and, ideally, enhance the squad those assets leave behind.
Leeds are moving in different circles to City, as Guardiola’s focus on Phillips and the weeks ahead are set to demonstrate.
They are waiting now for City to show their hand.
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£45m would be very poor
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I don't expect us to get good value for KP or Raph.
Phillips in the inflated domestic market should fetch £60-65mil.
Raph for me should be £70-80mil.
But I reckon we get £40-50mil for KP and £50-60mil for Raph.
I reckon Orta and Kinnear will bend over for the executives of the rich clubs.
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Sadly you're right.Cjay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 12:59 pm I don't expect us to get good value for KP or Raph.
Phillips in the inflated domestic market should fetch £60-65mil.
Raph for me should be £70-80mil.
But I reckon we get £40-50mil for KP and £50-60mil for Raph.
I reckon Orta and Kinnear will bend over for the executives of the rich clubs.
If they offer £45-50m, we should ask for Palmer and McAtee as well.
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Nah I think anything below £60mil is a failure.
Maybe £55mil and Cole Palmer.
But I'd prefer the money.
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I think it will be trickier to get as much as we would have done if we sold him last summer. Last summer he was coming off a successful season and had played well for England. This summer he is coming off an injury plagued season where he hasn't played particularly well either for us or England recently. So he is a year old, a bit more injury prone and questions about his ability.
That said I think moving to City would be the best move for all parties. He will flourish at City, playing in a role he is used to, with a manager that understands how to get the best out of him and with great players around him. He will also be able to be rested at times if he has slight niggles etc.
That said I think moving to City would be the best move for all parties. He will flourish at City, playing in a role he is used to, with a manager that understands how to get the best out of him and with great players around him. He will also be able to be rested at times if he has slight niggles etc.
Victor_Notts-17 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2026 7:03 pm Did you post them because there's something wrong with your brain
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Blood sick of us 2 agreeing againweasel wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 3:18 pm I think it will be trickier to get as much as we would have done if we sold him last summer. Last summer he was coming off a successful season and had played well for England. This summer he is coming off an injury plagued season where he hasn't played particularly well either for us or England recently. So he is a year old, a bit more injury prone and questions about his ability.
That said I think moving to City would be the best move for all parties. He will flourish at City, playing in a role he is used to, with a manager that understands how to get the best out of him and with great players around him. He will also be able to be rested at times if he has slight niggles etc.
All that you said, like Grealish, he won't be the main kiddy in the team like he is at Leeds and JG at villa, if anything KP could flourish with the better quality around him and not having to almost single handedly pull the team through certain games, I'm sure PG will enhance his style of play better than JM would, as you also say, he would be rested a lot more at city, he would be needed every game at ER, imagine only laking 30 odd games in PL and getting paid double to do it !!
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If we get £50m+ then sell, he's not that good. Bielsa transformed a lot of our championship players but the spell he cast was disappearing. Before Bielsa Lewis Cook and Ronaldo-Vierra were considered to be better DM's. The problem is that we're relying upon Orta and Marsch to get the right replacement with less money. Orta has a success rate of 1/12 and Marsch only wants those players that previously bought him a nice christmas card.
Talk of Tyler Adams frightens me!
Talk of Tyler Adams frightens me!
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Doesn't frighten me as much as the thought of Jesse playing Tyler RobertsRover wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 5:32 pm If we get £50m+ then sell, he's not that good. Bielsa transformed a lot of our championship players but the spell he cast was disappearing. Before Bielsa Lewis Cook and Ronaldo-Vierra were considered to be better DM's. The problem is that we're relying upon Orta and Marsch to get the right replacement with less money. Orta has a success rate of 1/12 and Marsch only wants those players that previously bought him a nice christmas card.
Talk of Tyler Adams frightens me!
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surely roberts will be for the under 23 next season he certainly aint a premier league player nor should he be a starterWhite Riot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 5:56 pm Doesn't frighten me as much as the thought of Jesse playing Tyler Roberts
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I'd rather he went to ManU. Anywhere but City, NUFC or PSG.
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Murderous regimes from their owners I suspect.
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Probably not a popular post here;
KP has been a tremendous servant for Leeds, but I think if we get big money for him we should let him go now.
Seems like he has lost some of his extra yard of pace. It has probably to do with his injuries but he has been poor the last year, honestly. Gives away too many free kicks as he is often late in the tackles. His passing has also been poor at times. He will always be a Leeds boy but should cash in for the greater benefit.
KP has been a tremendous servant for Leeds, but I think if we get big money for him we should let him go now.
Seems like he has lost some of his extra yard of pace. It has probably to do with his injuries but he has been poor the last year, honestly. Gives away too many free kicks as he is often late in the tackles. His passing has also been poor at times. He will always be a Leeds boy but should cash in for the greater benefit.